Investment in Reliance Petroleum (RPL)
Posted by JV on November 26, 2006
I have invested some good amount in Reliance Petroleum (RPL) at the average price of Rs.66+. And I expect to grow my investment as any other reliance scrips, particularly Reliance Industries (RIL). I have invested little sum in other Reliance companies, like Reliance Communication and Reliance Energy. I am waiting for Reliance Industry to come down little before I invest something in it.
Now with RPL, the actual business will not start before 2008-09, however the company has hinted that may be the production will start bit earlier,, about six months earlier than the declared date. So, its first profit and EPS (if any) will be seen in somewhere 2010.
However, looking the tax and other benefits on account of operating from SEZ, RPL will be having upper hand over the most refineries. Its profit margin will be nearly double than other in the sector. I do not know much about its business preposition.
Shareholding pattern is mammoth in every sense RPL has issued 450,00,00,000 (450 crore, 4500 millions) equity shares. Out which 75 % stake is held by RIL as promoter/parent company at the face value of Rs. 10-00. 5% of stake is sold to Chaveron for USD 300 millions at about Rs.60-00 per share with agreement of additional purchase of 24% of shares, from the stake of RIL.
About 8.8 % shares are held by institutional investors like banks,MF, FII, Insurance co. etc. Rest of 11.11 % are held with non-institutional and private investors , and out of these 11.11 %, 3.95 are with body corporates, and therefore only 6.41 % are with individuals who have less than 10,000- shares. Nearly 90% are locked-in shares. Therefore looking to little percentage , though the number of share will be somewhat 28 crores, in the trading market make the scrip attractive.
I am not share market analyst, but looking to the facts at the present Rs.66-00 is good investment in long term of 3-5 years. I have been investing in RPL from the price of Rs. 60-00, and I am averaging the price at every opportunity. However, the production is not starting at least for 2 years, but still price of the scrip is slowly rising, probably by the investors purchasing and holding the shares and causing scarcity in the market.
What I expect is to double my investment , and I believe it will happen as soon the production is started. I expect the price at Rs. 120-140 in year 2008-2009, average Rs. 3-00 increase every month during next 2 years.
Further , even when the target price is achieved , still I may not consider to sell my holding. I believe when RPL starts making profit, and mostly from the firs year, it will declare generous dividend. Suppose, RPL declares 50% dividend, Rs.5-00 per share, still I am getting 11 % on my actual investment, additional to the price appreciation. By the dividends from RPL , RIL will be having tax free income in billions. (side note : therefore, some people prefer to buy RIL instead of RPL, because of 75% stake of RIL and as soon RPL is appreciated, RIL will be benefited). Further I expect some right issues (not much of bonus) in early years to increase capital for expansions by the company. However I am not sure about this investment plan, but I feel it will happen more likely that or better.
Few of my friends apprehend that RPL may be again merged with RIL as it happened previously in 2002. I have no firm idea about the business tactics. But RPL is based in SEZ having all the benefits, therefore, as per my knowledge it is not permissible to merge SEZ unit with ordinary unit, otherwise all benefits are removed.
Note of caution : I am not expert on shares etc., all information,data are available in public and views are strictly mine’s. And I do not encourage to buy , in case if you want to you are requested to consult professional share broker. I am not liable for any losses, if any.
I welcome any suggestions and advise from the better equipped and better informed persons. And even you have some doubt or query, let me know it will be helpful to discuss over it.
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December 6, 2006 at 9:52 pm
I would suggest that where Reliance is concerned one should be careful. I think this company is anything but reliable. I wouldn’t be surprised if it got involved in some sort of scam or the other one of these days.
December 6, 2006 at 11:10 pm
I cant disagree with you on this thing. But you can see that how much Reliance is gaining over on the life of an ordiniary man. We buy Enrgy,Gas,Mobile,Petrol & Diesel, Insurance, soon grocerry too (and dont know what more)from Ambanis.
My guess is that an average urban person will be paying atleast Rs.1,000-00 p.m. to Ambanis for all these utilities. So I am getting back these from Ambanis by holding shares of various companies
BTW Reliance Communication and Reliance Energy are faring very well in the market covering my annual expenditures on mobile and electriciy
February 18, 2007 at 11:35 am
DEAR SIR,
REILANCE PETROL SHEAR I WANT 100 (HUNDRED).
FROM:GYANESH TIBREWAL
May 9, 2007 at 3:20 pm
DEAR SIR,
RELIANCE PETROL SHEAR I WANT 1000 (THOUSAND)
BUT WILL I GET ? LETS WAIT AND WATCH AND LET TIME DECIDE.
July 13, 2007 at 4:48 pm
DEAR SIR,
RELIANCE PERTOL SHEAR I WANT 10,000
would u tell me how much i will get in this share, and tell how to join, and tell how to know about the sheme. pls mail me on my mail id. pls let know ur details
July 31, 2007 at 1:02 pm
what is today price of share of reli. petroluem
August 3, 2007 at 11:12 am
Can Any boby tell me when Reliance Petroleum will be start working…?
August 8, 2007 at 9:51 am
December 2008….
August 20, 2007 at 9:18 pm
I appreciate the adventurous attitude of this author and his views. His predictions are actually turned to true!!! RPL 52 week high has been 120Rs…which is 100% growth when compared to the issue price 60Rs. I too invested huge money in this share.
Most people think twice to invest in stock market when sensex is touching all time high. But I was convinced with RPL because of 2 golden investment principles.
1. “Do not pay attention to sensex level but pay attention to scrip level you are entering in. “. What this tells me is RPL is much better & smart long term investment rather than RIL. Growth opportunity is huge in RPL than in RIL.
2. “Do not invest in stock but invest in its business.– Warren Buffet”
I have no hesitation to invest in Oil business. Look at the companies in US and INDIA which are having largest market capitol. Exxon Mobil Corporation and Reliance Industries. Both are in Oil business!!!
But one thing is not clear to me. I too heard that if RPL merges with RIL then it is not good for share holders. I want to know why the merge is not beneficial.
Any comments?
August 21, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Thanks Praveen for your flattering remarks. I have not sold any of my holdings in RPL.
About the merger issue. I am not certain what will be the effect on the RPL shareholder, wheather they will benefit or not. I recall previous merger where in the ratio was 11 RPL(30 Rs.) for 1 RIL (330 Rs.) and I had 1000 RPL and got some 90 RIL. Thereafter , RIL rose to 1200 and then presently at 1700-1800, appreciating nearly 5-6 times from 2002, not a bad return after all :).
So, I believe there is nothing to worry in case of merger of RPL with RIL. Suppose when merger is decalred , say RPL is at 200 and RIL at 2000 (2200), the ratio remain as of previous merger. One would get 1 RIL for every 11 RPL. So in my case I am holding RPL @ 66.00 so my average price for RIL will be Rs.660-00.
Recently also again heard the humors again. However, as I have heard RPL is KSEZ Unit and therefore merger is unlikely , unless Mukesh Ambani get the laws changed
I too share your optimistic view that RPL is better in long term, people go on saying about the future price anywhere fro 300 to 600, which may come true in long term with the successful management. RPL will be the leading story of the phenomenal growth of Indian economy.
August 22, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Thanks for quick reply JV.
September 18, 2007 at 1:39 pm
The author of this article has a very good prevision mind. His words have proved 100 percentage. RPL present price is Rs 130. I think it May touch Rs 500-600 in 2 years. We should not forget the Reliance Group fame and Mr.Mukesh’s ability. We hope that RPL will be a very famous industry in the world. Dont forget the Mukesh’s words that “Jamnagar will be the refining hub of the world” in the next year.
September 22, 2007 at 5:36 pm
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September 25, 2007 at 7:38 am
Hi guys,
Everything looks good and cheap in a growing and bullish market…however, as Warren Buffet beleives, I think there should be ‘value’ investment.
RPL will see the first full year of operation results only in 2010. The expected EPS in 2010 is ~Rs.15. That is a PE of ~12 for 2010 earnings! The current PE ratio for the industry is less than 10, Exxon Mobil trades at a PE of about 12….
All this is pure speculation and NOT value investing….but it seems to be working now….but when there are corrections in the market, over valued shares will be the first to fall….My 2 cents…
September 25, 2007 at 10:04 am
@ Mutrtuza, I cannot disagree with the timeless investment philosophy of the master. I too have entered into RPL with long term, say 10 or more years, and on valuation basis. I have not sold any of my holding despite it has been doubled in less than a year.
Check my latest post about the high returns of RPL
Thanks for sharing your views.
October 1, 2007 at 11:17 am
I want to purchase some share of Reliance Petrolium. but before this activity i want some information:-
1)Eligibilty
2)Price per share
3)What is Process and documentation?
4)what is chances in this field?
i am new in this area so please write me about total formalities
thank you
vijay sharma
October 1, 2007 at 2:35 pm
@Vijay, you should consult a local broker or someone who has been dealing in equities.
October 10, 2007 at 9:04 pm
Hi everyone. I like this forum. I have a situation and i need some advise.
My father bought shares of RPL years ago in the 90’s for bout 10Rs. He had them in paper certificates. The problem is that he has misplaced those share certificates. I want to convert these shares into electronic shares.
Can somebody/ anybody advise me on what to do about this? I just now contacted reliance petroleum and so lets see what they say. Anymore suggestions??
Thanks and keep posting
jOshi
October 10, 2007 at 10:02 pm
@Joshi, it seems that the share you are taking about is of Reliance Industry (RIL), not of Reliance Petro (RPL) as RPL was not in existence back in 90’s (unless you referring to RPL of 2003).
If you have lost the paper certificate, it will be difficult to trace out the holding in the name of your father. The company registrar may not look into your inquiry merely on basis the name of the shareholder, share certificate numbers and folio numbers should be provided.
Consult local share broker proper assistance.
October 10, 2007 at 11:22 pm
it was reliance petroleum as far as i remember. It was b4 the company was split by the brothers. I’ll ask my dad and confirm that. Thanks
October 21, 2007 at 9:01 pm
hey friends..need your help to understand this…if some bought 100 TOCD’s of RPL in 1993, then how many shares of reliance companies one should be holding now keeping in mind merger of RPL with RIL in 2002 and then split of RIL in multiples at the time of sepetration b/w 2 brothers.
October 25, 2007 at 9:21 pm
JV got it right absolutely (although a lil conservative). I just checked RPL share price at
NSE BSE India Site and wow its way way up than what JV originally predicted. I am sure all investors (including me) are laughing their way to their DEMAT accounts!
November 9, 2007 at 12:46 pm
sir,
i buy 500 rpl shares at price 265. now its 221. when will i get my buy price.
November 9, 2007 at 1:53 pm
@Pradeep.
Looking to the recent hammering it will not be 265 at its usual speed of 5-10% everyday. But hopefully within one month you can see your purchase price. But it is strongly advised that you hold it for longer period , say 3-6 months.
November 19, 2007 at 4:09 pm
tell me reliance petro 1 yrs target
November 19, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Near 750-00 in December’08.
November 21, 2007 at 4:33 pm
tell me reliance natural 1 yrs target
November 21, 2007 at 4:42 pm
thank you.
November 24, 2007 at 10:24 am
please tell me reliance natural 1 yrs target
November 24, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Sir i have bought RPL shares at an average of Rs.249/- on 6th NOv. And from that date it is continously going downward. Can u tell me when it will reach at 250+ levels.Thanks in advance. I hope i will get the reply..
November 24, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I request everyone to drop the “sir”. Thanks
One thing we need to understand that RPL is long term story, and I do not advise and strongly advise against most of you for short term speculative profit , unless you are very old and/or has left less than 12 month’s life (still it is good investment to leave behind
Next, RPL will definately reach to the purchase price of everyone who has purchased at higher level but that needs some time and I cannot predict exact time may be between 1-3 months. Therefore it is advisable not to invest in RPL (or any other script for that matter) with borrowed or short term money. Buy RPL when you have surplus money to park in the script.
Further, don’t expect another dream run for RPL as it has happened from 65 to 295. Such things don’t happen often, and I am thankful for that. Expectation will give you more pain. Expect modest 20% annual return from any script and because it is bull run otherwise people are happy with much lower return than 20%.
If you are struck at higher level ,particularly in RPL , you can buy at lower level which will lower the average (ofcourse again with your surplus money and not borrowed). But this is not for every script.
RPL has potential to give 200% return from current market price in the time frame of next 2 years. When I say potential, it means there is very good chances to reach the target but all other factors like global demand-supply of crude , refining margin and global economy can hurt or boost the profit of RPL.
Buy RPL in pyramid pattern. But small quantity at every price, at regular interval and accumulate a sizable bulk which will be very valuable after 5 years.
November 24, 2007 at 5:36 pm
please tell me RPL & Reliance Natural 1 yrs target
November 24, 2007 at 10:36 pm
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November 27, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Reliance Industries sale of 4% equity in Reliance Petroleum Ltd. at an average price of Rs.223 per share. These sales were made between November 10 and November 23, 2007.
Interestingly just one week prior to RIL (owned by Mukesh Ambani) selling the shares, an unknown group of people bet their shirts on a fall in Reliance Petroleum’s share price, in a magnitude never seen before in Indian stock markets.
Between November 1 and November 6, 2007, this group made short sales of 10crore shares of Reliance Petroleum in the futures segment of National Stock Exchange.
These short sales were made at prices between Rs.275 and Rs. 295 per share i.e Rs.3,000 crores approximately.
These numbers are based on official data published by NSE.
This group has made a cool profit of approx. Rs 1,000 crores in less than a month, because the Reliance Petroleum shares have now crashed from Rs.295 to Rs 195 per share!. These guys have made Rs.100 per share.
Who are these super smart traders? I’d like to meet one
November 27, 2007 at 6:18 pm
I have same thoughts like Parag.
What is the connection of these people with Mukesh Ambani, RIL and connected people?
And who has suffered the corresponding loss of Rs. 1000 crores? Its innocent small investors who bought Reliance Petroleum shares at the high prices, not knowing that this unholy alliance was indulging in insider trading and making illegal profits while Mukesh Ambani’s own company RIL was selling shares without disclosing this to investors!!
November 27, 2007 at 7:10 pm
@Parag, Raghunath..
Well, how do I know? I am an ordinary investor :).
When people get greedy, there are always some one to take advantage of their greed, perhaps this episode is no different. But, nevertheless, people will never learn, and the media hyped because it was frontline stock from reliance group.
However, I still do not understand the logic behind entire episode and therefore give benefit of doubts to Reliance and Ambani.
Therefore, if you are investor -you dont need to panic, and if you are day-trader this is something what you want- high volatility without any fundamentals.
Another thing, as per my understandg that if RIL has sold 4% stake of RPL in 4k crores, and the proceed will go to RIL and shareholders of RIL , being the promoters of RPL, will be benefited.
It is bitter fact, that retail investors stated entering into into RPL when it was above 200 for shor term gain. I personally know many persons who have bought anywhere between 240-295, expecting 350 in no time. Such case is everyday scenerio in the stockmarket, and therefore it is difficult to sympathize with such investors.
Even, if someone is struck at 295, and has not booked loss, can wait for 1-2 years and can have reasonable profit( I am being conservative). But patient is a rare virtue.
November 28, 2007 at 12:36 pm
I had written on this article that it is fraud and it has got published on all news paper.
Such dubious acts should be taken highly seriously and so called intelligent smart businessmen should be taken to tasks.
You can read very good article on http://www.livemint.com/2007/11/27211828/Reliance-Petro-scrip-under-Seb.html and educate all your readers about the share fraud.
November 28, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Also all those smart investors cannot be going off like that only. They should also be done for interrogation for their tips.
Smart investors my foot http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Smart-operators-in-RPL-futures-make-a-cool-Rs-1-000-cr/244312/
November 28, 2007 at 2:24 pm
@Raghunath, I agree with you, if it is fraud it has to be investiaged and if anyone is found guilty, he should be punished.
If one wants to be educated there are many resources, but majority of people never learn and get burnt in every ‘hot’ script.
November 28, 2007 at 7:25 pm
hi JV, need an info…
I had applied for RPL IPO using my friend’s demat account… since i didn’t have one.. had applied for max in retail section (around 1600 shares).. if i remember correct, approx 116 shares were allotted @ Rs 60.
The problem now is neither me nor my friend (even he doesn’t do much of trading) haven’t kept track of this. Need a brief story of RPL growth in terms of bonus shares and dividends paid.
If its too lengthy a reply pls let me know where i can get this info from.
Thanks in advance!
November 28, 2007 at 7:34 pm
You can check on the comapny website http://www.reliancepetroleum.com/
November 29, 2007 at 11:56 am
Would like to know that I hv purchased some 200 shares of RPL recently at @278 per unit for 1 year. Just wants to ensure that will it give me profit in the near future. This is beacuse the prices everyday is decreasing when I compare the same with my purchase price.
November 29, 2007 at 8:06 pm
@Jaimala, ofcourse you have invested at high level but as your target is for one year you are assured about the decent profit. Just look at today’s trade. RPL gone zooming from 193 to 224 with turnover of 220 millions shares and made short-seller running for their monies and closed at 215.
You may also purchase additional shares at lower level which will substantially average the price, but do only if you have surplus funds and purchase in smaller quantity. Suppose you decide to add more 200 shares to average the price, purchase 50 shares at a time so you can take benefit of the price dip, if any. But be cautious and patient.
Happy investing.
December 1, 2007 at 11:34 am
I HAVE 250 SHARES OF RPL AT 220 AND OFCOURSE I AM A LONG TERM INVESTOR AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WILL BE THE RANGE OF RPL WITH IN 4 YEARS APPROXIMATELY CAN I EXPECT 600 PER SHARE
December 1, 2007 at 4:47 pm
@Praveen, you will get more then your expectation.
December 3, 2007 at 2:56 pm
hi,
what is your price target for rpl end march 08.
regards
Obe van
December 4, 2007 at 12:21 am
Sir ,
I have RPL 500 Qty. at Between Rs. 190-211 , i want to invest more for long term at least 2-3 years. Should i invest more.
thanks
December 5, 2007 at 12:55 pm
@Obe, it is difficult to give exact target price fundamentally. But people are expecting early announcement of production start , it it happens you can see 350 in March. Keep in mind that RPL is long term story and you might get struck if no such trigger comes during March, play safe, play long.
@Vinod, yes RPL is definate buy , as you have long term target.
December 8, 2007 at 4:53 pm
HEY, WE WANT TO BUY SHARE HOW CAN WE BUT IT PLEASE MAIL US.
THANK U.
AMIN KHAN
December 13, 2007 at 12:27 am
I have heard “RIL & RPL” news and saw lot of comments on the moneycontrol website on this topic.
I am worried about the future of the RPL share prices due to such merger. Can someone throw light on this issue, like what are the possiblity of merger and what would be the benefit of such merger to RPL and RIL.
Thanks.
December 13, 2007 at 11:00 am
@Santosh, I wouldnt stop you from worrying , if you wish so. But worrying wont serve any purpose
I have expressed my view about RPL-RIL merger in this comment
December 13, 2007 at 9:00 pm
Dear JV,
So it means there is no need to worry as RPL will give doog return in long term (9-12 months span)?
Thanks for your response.
December 13, 2007 at 11:45 pm
@Santosh, yes you can have 50% return from CMP within 9-12 months.
December 16, 2007 at 11:59 am
Dear Boarders,
There is news in the hindu http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2007121556901800.htm&date=2007/12/15/&prd=th&
It says that RPL will invest 10-15 bn USd for aquisition in USA.
Does this mean that RPL will be merged with RIL to get so much money?
As RPL does not have so much find to sponsor such kind of aquisitions. Any idea where will RPL get such huge amount of funds?
I would appreciate different views of the boarders.
Thanks.
December 16, 2007 at 12:39 pm
If RPL is merged with RIL, there will be no existence of RPL. So if RPL is talking of acquiring something, it shows that RPL will be alive and kicking, so dont worry about that , it is good sign.
Perhaps, funding is no problem for Reliance group. Could be loan from RIL, long term debt against equities (as the share price is quite high), or can issue rights (but that will dilute equity even more).
The article also says that “On the other hand, it is exploring ways and means to directly sell petroleum products in the U.S. and Europe”, there where Chevron comes into picture. Read this article about Why Reliance needs Chevron. I ,therefore, also do not share the apprehension of many people that Chevorn may exit RPL
December 16, 2007 at 3:53 pm
i had buy rpl at 280 should i sell or hold.pls tell me what is the target of this scrip for this month end.
December 16, 2007 at 6:52 pm
@Vijay Bhaskar, it is tough decision. If you sell now you would book significant loss around 30%. If you can remain invested without much worrying about the money blocked in the script you can hold for long term.
However, I cannot and do not want to project any target of month’s end because all price targets will be speculative. There are many rumors are floating around about early start of RPL refinery, about RIL-RPL merger, about exit of Chevron and none of them are confirmed yet.
December 20, 2007 at 8:58 am
i am getting fustration what i do with this rpl.i am doing trading from 1 year never happend like this.half of the money blocked in this scrip.pls tell me any website through which i can contact with management.may be i will get some information a bout company rether than rumours
December 24, 2007 at 3:55 pm
MR.VIJAYBHASKAR “NO PAIN NO GAIN” IF U DONT HAVE THAT MUCH PATIENCE TO HOLD ON THEN NEVER GO FOR TRADING,DEPOSIT IT IN A BANK GET INTREST THATS ALL (IF U R GETTING FRUSTRATED BEING INVESTED IN THIS MARVELOUS SCRIP HOW CAN U INVEST IN OHTERS)
January 1, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Wat should be the target price of Reliance Petroleum by 2008 dec..
How should i trade it at Rs. 230. Thanks in Adance
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January 5, 2008 at 6:17 pm
i have bought 1000 shares of rel petro @ 241.50 where u c rel petro 2 years down the line i believe in long term investment can any1 answer my question this is the 1st time i have invested
January 5, 2008 at 6:57 pm
@Bilal, an investor should ask such questions first, and invest after getting the satisfactory answers.Check this question and answer about investing in oil and refinery industry
However, you are already invested , remain invested for long. I am not giving any target as I had targeted for 300 by 2009 which has been touched already.
But, if someone wish to speculate about the price there is some room for speculation.
If RPL earns net profit of Rs.4,500-00 Crore in the first year of its production, , will make EPS of Rs.10-00 and considering PE of 30 (of Reliance Industry) price of RPL about 300-00 would be fair one.
However, if RPL runs at its full capacity , 27 million tonnes per annum (which is 150% more than RIL) and no taxes to pay, proifts could be much more than expected. But I am not raising expectation high, just stay invested.
January 10, 2008 at 3:49 pm
JV…
Im just planning to get abt 500 shares of RPL… So was surfing all round the park for as much as info as possible :-)… and im planning this as my retirement fund :-)…
Its fluctuating big time today…waiting the price to be around the 200 mark…
Hope things go well…
Gr8 Blog…keep up the good work..cheers
January 10, 2008 at 11:07 pm
got news that r com will reach upto 900 in 4 to 5 days can i invest in that…..jv
January 11, 2008 at 12:11 am
@ Vishal, only if you want ‘invest’. Do not buy for trading purpose.
January 16, 2008 at 12:25 am
Hi JV,
I am an IT Consultant and have been travelling abroad and never really kept in touch with things Reliance. I have also missed most of the Company communication sent by post to my Mumbai address since 2002.
I had about 300 shares of Reliance Petrochemicals Ltd issued around 1992 to me as part of Convertible Debentures.
Then I had Reliance Petroleum Ltd shares allotted to me as follow..
100 in 1999, 100 in 2000, and 100 in 2001 as part of 100 Triple Option Debentures (TOCD) that were allotted to me in 1993. I also have 2 certificates of 100 shares each allotted in 1993 and 1995. (How? I am not sure..!!) All in all about 500 RPL shares.
However, I was surprised to learn that RPL was incorporated only in 2005.
Pls explain to me :
1)what happend to Reliance Petrochemicals Ltd?
2)Is Reliance Petroleum today is different than the Reliance Petroleum Ltd which issued TOCD in 1993? If so what happens to my 500 RPL shares?
Thanks
Dan
January 16, 2008 at 4:18 am
Dear San,
It seems you are old timer! Reliance petroleum was merged into Reliance Industries in 2001 with a ratio or 11:1 (1 RIL share for every 11 shares of RPL).
Later, in 2006, RIL floated another company with the same (OLD)name - Reliance Petroleum Limited.
Thanks.
January 16, 2008 at 8:35 am
@Dan, as stated by Santosh, old RPL has been merged with its parent RIL. You will have to correspond with RIL to know the details of the allotted shares of RIL.
January 16, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Hi santosh/JV,
Thanks for your feedback..
Looks like I am really out of this world!!
Please let me know what happened to Reliance Petrochemical Ltd..
Thanks
Dan
January 22, 2008 at 3:26 am
And what about the dividend??
January 22, 2008 at 3:30 am
Hey what about the dividend of so many years..
pls explain how do you calculate the total dividend that Dan gets..
because mine is also a similar case…
Karthik
January 23, 2008 at 8:07 pm
iam investing in share market for the first time…can i buy rpl now for future investment as its price is way below 200…..is it a safe bet….plz advice
January 23, 2008 at 8:59 pm
@Naresh, DO NOT enter into the market , especially when it is at the peak of historical volatility, if you have no experience. Consult professional portfolio manager/broker.
However, talking about RPL, it is good stock in LONG TERM. Please understand this. Because, most of investors (it is difficult to call them investor) enters into liquid stocks like RPL , RNRL etc., for quick bucks , expecting 30-50 % gain in week or fortnight at the most. So, if you have long term horizon , say about 3-5 years then RPL is good buy. But do not purchase merely because it has fallen from its recent highs.
January 28, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Hi JV,
I bought RPL in Jan and my avg price was Rs.218. I had invested for long term and therefore when the markets fell and RPL touched a low of Rs 106 I didnt panic. I rather purchased a few more shares to improve my avg price to Rs 190. Can you help me understand would this volatility and the expected recesion in US (which might linger on for 8-9 months) have a significant impact on the long term price of RPL? Or is the oil industry (downstream and upstream) somewhat shielded from the market fluctuations due to ever rising demand of Crude oil and its products (Crude oil price did take a big hit though). Thanks for the help
January 28, 2008 at 7:18 pm
@Jasleen. Its good to hear that you did not panic, and infact bought some more.
One thing I need to tell you that I am no expert of share market, just an investment avenue and I sought professional paid services of experts whenever necessary. So, whatever I discuss anywhere on the blog is just my views not necessarily to be relied upon.
Nor I am expert on economy, and experts all over the world are confused and worried about US economy and slowdown. I am unable gauge the impact of US recession/slowdown on RPL.
Another thing, RPL is crude refinery and will do job work , of processing raw crude. You might want to understand more about oil and refinery industry, check this question and answer about investing in oil and refinery industry
February 12, 2008 at 6:03 pm
tell me 6 month target of reliance power
March 12, 2008 at 2:37 am
Hi,
I was badly hit by the fall …i took exit from everthing..and just holding on RPL bought at Rs.225 with view long term 3-5 years…but merger with ril ….is it worth holding on with RPL & what kindi of price target do you see in 3 years?
March 17, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Dear Rahul,
You have hold very good stock but at quite expensive. Don’t worry you will get decent return within 3 years. I am expecting at least 600+ during 3 years.As this co. has no taxes because it is in SEZ zone. So they will book huge Profit, in comparision of others in the same sector. Only news of Starting Production will Doubled it.
March 26, 2008 at 6:30 pm
hi jv ,
im new to this thread , i find this an interesting discussion sharing knowledge to one another . can i buy RPL at this current level for a 5-10 yr time frame. will i be getting bonuses and addditional shares in due course of time.
March 30, 2008 at 10:12 am
RPL is good buy with longer time frame. If RPL will not have any expansion plans (assuming that all expansions are done by the parent company RIL) RPL will be cash-rich company in few years, then most cash reserve will be diverted to RIL by the way of dividend.
April 1, 2008 at 12:21 pm
hi jv
what do u mean by this , wont we get any dividends for rpl ?
April 1, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I meant that shareholders ,individuals and promoters, of RPL will get good dividend.
April 8, 2008 at 1:22 am
hi….
i was just going through all the talks about RPL’s future. but still have one question to ask.? with many of reliance petroleum petrol pumps shutting down what will be the future lies ahead if i invest in this scrip for 2 years.
i have 200 shares of RPL bought at an average rate of 207, currently its trading at 171. should i keep the scrip or sell it off.
April 8, 2008 at 9:25 am
Petrol pump business belongs to RIL, the parent company of RPL, so there is nothing to worry about RPL share holders.
Even if we consider from RIL view of point, it was good decision after all. The government is artificially controlling petrol/diesel rates and provides subsidy to PSU oil companies to compensate their lossess, but private companies had to increase price but then they could not compete with PSU companies. Following RIL, Essar has also announced closing of its petrol pumps.
April 9, 2008 at 1:17 am
Hi ,
I m a Long Term Investor 2/3 Years , I m holding 2300 Shares of RPL at the avrage price of Rs 180 , Can me tell anybody what could be the Target price for RPL for Next 2 Years , also i m planning to buy more shares should i buy RPL or look for some another script - Kindly advise
Yogesh - Pune
April 9, 2008 at 1:19 am
I m a Long Term Investor 2/3 Years , I m holding 2300 Shares of RPL at the avrage price of Rs 180 , Can tell me anybody what could be the Target price for RPL for Next 2 Years , also i m planning to buy more shares should i buy RPL or look for some another script - Kindly advise
Yogesh - Pune
April 9, 2008 at 9:55 am
It is good to be long on RPL. With available figures one can make approximate calculation of RPL’s earning as under :
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5,80,000 (barrels per day)
x 15 USD margin per barrel
= 87,00,000 USD perday
x 365 days
= 3175500000 USD per annum
x 40 Rs.
= Approximate 12k crores Rs.
\450 crores shares
=about Rs.26 EPS x PE of 20 = 520-00
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If RPL is fully functional for a year abovesaid estimate will bring the share price near 500 in 2010.
Assumed refining margin of 15 USD is of RIL , RPL may have higher margin considering tax benefits.
http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14590304
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_Petroleum
You should not put all eggs in one basket, you should invest in different shares in different sectors.
Lastly, Yogesh, you have been investing large amount in equity which is apparent, you are advised to consult/subscribe professional advisor like equitymaster.com
April 18, 2008 at 2:32 am
JV,
interesting stats, however have to conisder the odds, what I mean is replacement for OIL, nothing big is going right now, however I have heard some aggressive moves to replace oil. Thanks to Bush for encouraging Iraq to keep destroying resources.
Above is my pessimistic view, however there a great potential RPL has, the reason is Mukeshbhai is bringing a revolution in the way how Petrol is produced out of Oil, with all the new technology they can produce more Petrol from the same amount of OIL, my point is before there use to be 35% wastage which can now be turned down to 10%, which however will not reduce the price but just the quantity.
MD
April 18, 2008 at 10:30 am
I cannot disagree on the point of future discovery on substitute of OIL.
But here what we calculated is short term view, say five years, considering the invention/discovery of new breed of fuel-getting it recognised - adoption of such fuel on large scale in globe over by replacing all machineries/vehicles etc., which would easily take a decade that is TOO after such a fuel is discovered.
Mukeshbhai mus have considered all these odds.
April 22, 2008 at 8:14 pm
iam holding some RPL shares, with the current market trend i.e closing of reliance petrol bunks is it advisable for me to hold the shares or sell all the RPL shares kindly advise
April 23, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Hi JV, I recently invested in RPL at diff levels averaging @173 (total of 5000 shares). I still have about 50 lakh rupees and considering investing in real estate or something else. Do you think it’s a good idea to put this money in RPL (I know you would say don’t put your eggs in one basket). I can afford to take risk considering the fact that my investment is long term (say 5 yrs) and RPL is a good stock which suits my needs rather than putting my money in real estate which is risky now a days? Please advise..
April 23, 2008 at 10:32 pm
@Sree, hold RPL if you can.
@Jay, you must be kindding
!! You want to invest 50 Lacs, you should better consult professional portfolio adviser.
However, RPL remains good in long term. You should think twice before leaping with that much fund.
May 5, 2008 at 11:06 am
lyrics…
As for me the comment last month (I could not find the link now) is like my comment now that some comments are like this comment… Who advice?…
May 7, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I hav 500 shares of rpl . From the year 1994 but i dont hav any knowledge in shares. Pls let me know how it ‘ll help me 2 get income . U can ma.il at nshnt.singh2@gmail.com
May 8, 2008 at 10:12 am
Anyone who can help,
My father purchased Reliance Petrochemical Shares and Debentures in the late 80’s from what I understand… I have read all parts of thread concerning the shares, however what has happened to the debenture end of it. Any value? Should I De-mat them?